Watch now (3 mins) | Paraphrase: The Scientists are considered the final arbiters in the Brave New World and Mullis is correctly referencing the Day Tapes/Good Club "for the Planet" line of thought.
“We are not through this pandemic,” said Gov. Kathy Hochul, at a New York City megachurch. “I prayed a lot to God during this time and you know what — God did answer our prayers. He made the smartest men and women, the scientists, the doctors, the researchers — he made them come up with a vaccine. That is from God to us and we must say, thank you, God. ...
“All of you, yes, I know you’re vaccinated, you’re the smart ones. But you know there’s people out there who aren’t listening to God. ... I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to each other. We love each other.”
Clearly, the governor said, getting vaccinated was the best way to obey God in this crisis.
. . . "for the Planet" line of thought." Mullis: "the ecological madness" and "the scientists are now the final arbiters of what is good for the planet and what is bad for the planet."
Michael Crichton wrote about the danger of politicized science in the Appendix to his novel "State of Fear". First he talks about eugenics and all those repercussions. Then he talks of Stalin's man Lysenko who developed "Lysenkoism" which "ended in the 1960s, but Russian biology still has not entirely recovered from that era."
A quote: "But as Alston Chase put it, “when the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power.”
That is the danger we now face. And that is why the intermixing of science and politics is a bad combination, with a bad history.
We must remember the history, and be certain that what we present to the world as knowledge is disinterested and honest."
I’ve personally never felt a need for Christianity as I did when World War Covid broke out. It did, in fact, have the reverse effect of making me feel more connected (and more disconnected) to life on planet Earth. I’m not going to lie and say I’m real pleased with Americans lack of reaction to it- but the pushback was dominated by some legit religious conservatives groups, some of which I don’t agree with at all. It was like a witch-hunt from every angle. Christ wasn’t a Christian so to speak.
If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.
Celia Farber referenced this interview with Gary Null, so I listened to it a while back. You probably already know at that there is some weirdness around his death, with his partner/girlfriend being weird about stuff around his death...anyway, no one seems to have bothered following up on it...yet...from the bits I read, I wish someone would follow up on it. Definitely something suspicious there, the timing is quite weird related to STUPID19, and his PCR test being THE test for STUPID19.
Science was born out of religion—the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. In the 15th century Renaissance the “Platonists” were looking for the evidence of things unseen, to measure reality up to gap between the finite and the infinite. These early 15th century priestly scientists believed that behind the visible world was the invisible, the gap was the speculative in-between space. They used mathematics to speculate about the gap because mathematicals were the least corruptible symbolic system. Also, numbers could represent both unity and multiplicity. But unlike modern pseudo-scientists they never would assume that everything could be measured, that could only be conjectured. There was always a respect for the Unknown. They never mistook the map for the territory itself.
The part about Buddhism and Christianity is fascinating to me, though he retains a point about science degrading the role of the Church. In my mind Buddhism was always less a religion and more a set of philosophical beliefs about why people suffer and ways to overcome it at an intensely indivdual level. There was no overrriding doctrine of convert to our way of thinking or die and I think Buddhist texts are the least easy to twist around into terrorist organizations. There are some interesting proscriptions with sexuality that I think can lead to virgin/whore paradoxes but that is another story...
I was taught that Buddhism is not a religion, it is a philosophy...so it feels annoying to hear it called a religion. I disagree that it is a religion. I used to call myself Buddhist, but I decided I did not want to be an -ist of any kind...tho I still practice the philosophy.
As always, when you are taking flak...you are over the target. I have to admit that when I first started reading you, I thought you as an insufferable armadillo wrangler.
Now I see you as you really are...an insufferable normie wrangler and pointer-outer to inconsistency of behavior.
Kary Mullins definitely nailed it there, and elsewhere. I do wonder about the timing of his death. Probably a great example to others?
Btw I can account for some of your decline in views because for various reasons I ended up taking a month long sabbatical from substack cold turkey.. but I'm back now! I'm sure I accounted at least a hundred views in that decline 😂. I don't know how you can keep going on this but I'm glad you do.
Btw on the payment channel front, you could put up a public key and invite people to post encrypted messages in comments. Walmart gift card numbers are probably fairly anonymous?
I'm so jaded that I think religion can only be understood as a necessary part of political power. The justification of violence.
But I also see that people who are in love with their religion think their religion is the only true one, and everything else is an error. And they think that in spite of the fact they have no political power.
So there is another understanding of religion, not about power here and justification of violence, but about something else. For example, eternal life, or, in the case of Buddhism, that much desired extinction of being or of the self.
Christians who practice the rituals and sacraments of their version of Christianity, often seem to be longing to get back political power and control over force, in order to do justice, like it was before the French revolution, before the Reformation, before Modernity. But this is delusional: never has been the case that real Christians have managed to pacify the world. There's always been huge violence. More of it after the Enlightenment than before.
I coonsider myself a Christian, but I don't do sacraments. I don't relate to other people much. Many people would say that automatically disqualifies me as a Christian. Whatever, I don't care. But, as a simple gospel believing Christian, it's always funny to me the obsession of so many in Western countries to go to the far East to find the Truth because of the unstated reason that this Truth cannot be Christianity or Judaism or any other variant of monotheism. There is a huge rage against monotheism, as if it was the cause of the evils of the world. But sincerely see no connection between monotheism and the horrible things humans do to each other. Atheists also have done horrible things, as well as all polytheists.
I've read in my life many atheists, but few of them were promoting peace or non-violence, much less the idea of developing personal virtue. In general, atheists semm to be very bitter and angry, and they promote violence and irrational behavior.
The idea of exterminationism (an ecologist idea) is purely atheistic. And yet rational atheists reject ecologism, and violence among members of the human race.
But I think it's impossible to have organized violence in society (the State, for instance) and not have some religious forms that try to support it and justify it, lying for the "general good."
I'm interested in religion as a personal life event or life process. Politics is silly.
Well, I never believed in miracles until I stumbled across the descriptions of Flatland, a two dimensional world. You might find the concept interesting if you've never heard of it. Miracles would be trivial for a three dimensional creature to perform in a two dimensional world. You could travel instantaneously, bi-locate, make objects appear and disappear, change shape. A two dimensional being could hide nothing from us, since we could see over any walls. We would know their every action. A fourth dimensional being could do the same in our three dimensional reality. String theory requires ten dimensions and M-theory eleven. A being that could move in those dimensions could do unthinkable things. I think God might be a higher dimensional scientist with an ant farm. "The very hairs on your head are numbered" would seem commonplace with a big enough database. Recording our every move to call up at the end to tally our social credit score? Easy; we're approaching that in our world. Just a theory; don't hate on me please.
Kary Mullis #2: The SCIENCE as a Belief System
https://sagehana.substack.com/p/the-war-on-germs-and-the-good-club
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Save the Planet.
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"The Science will be falsified."
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"Churches will help us."
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Insert four Day Tapes links here.
or not...tacos...mmmmm
https://religionunplugged.com/news/2021/10/18/new-york-gov-kathy-hochul-god-gave-us-the-vaccine-and-smart-believers-know-that
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“We are not through this pandemic,” said Gov. Kathy Hochul, at a New York City megachurch. “I prayed a lot to God during this time and you know what — God did answer our prayers. He made the smartest men and women, the scientists, the doctors, the researchers — he made them come up with a vaccine. That is from God to us and we must say, thank you, God. ...
“All of you, yes, I know you’re vaccinated, you’re the smart ones. But you know there’s people out there who aren’t listening to God. ... I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to each other. We love each other.”
Clearly, the governor said, getting vaccinated was the best way to obey God in this crisis.
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. . . "for the Planet" line of thought." Mullis: "the ecological madness" and "the scientists are now the final arbiters of what is good for the planet and what is bad for the planet."
Michael Crichton wrote about the danger of politicized science in the Appendix to his novel "State of Fear". First he talks about eugenics and all those repercussions. Then he talks of Stalin's man Lysenko who developed "Lysenkoism" which "ended in the 1960s, but Russian biology still has not entirely recovered from that era."
A quote: "But as Alston Chase put it, “when the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power.”
That is the danger we now face. And that is why the intermixing of science and politics is a bad combination, with a bad history.
We must remember the history, and be certain that what we present to the world as knowledge is disinterested and honest."
https://climatechangedispatch.com/politicized-science-dangerous/
I’ve personally never felt a need for Christianity as I did when World War Covid broke out. It did, in fact, have the reverse effect of making me feel more connected (and more disconnected) to life on planet Earth. I’m not going to lie and say I’m real pleased with Americans lack of reaction to it- but the pushback was dominated by some legit religious conservatives groups, some of which I don’t agree with at all. It was like a witch-hunt from every angle. Christ wasn’t a Christian so to speak.
If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.
– Gospel of Thomas, verse 70
Celia Farber referenced this interview with Gary Null, so I listened to it a while back. You probably already know at that there is some weirdness around his death, with his partner/girlfriend being weird about stuff around his death...anyway, no one seems to have bothered following up on it...yet...from the bits I read, I wish someone would follow up on it. Definitely something suspicious there, the timing is quite weird related to STUPID19, and his PCR test being THE test for STUPID19.
Science was born out of religion—the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. In the 15th century Renaissance the “Platonists” were looking for the evidence of things unseen, to measure reality up to gap between the finite and the infinite. These early 15th century priestly scientists believed that behind the visible world was the invisible, the gap was the speculative in-between space. They used mathematics to speculate about the gap because mathematicals were the least corruptible symbolic system. Also, numbers could represent both unity and multiplicity. But unlike modern pseudo-scientists they never would assume that everything could be measured, that could only be conjectured. There was always a respect for the Unknown. They never mistook the map for the territory itself.
The part about Buddhism and Christianity is fascinating to me, though he retains a point about science degrading the role of the Church. In my mind Buddhism was always less a religion and more a set of philosophical beliefs about why people suffer and ways to overcome it at an intensely indivdual level. There was no overrriding doctrine of convert to our way of thinking or die and I think Buddhist texts are the least easy to twist around into terrorist organizations. There are some interesting proscriptions with sexuality that I think can lead to virgin/whore paradoxes but that is another story...
The root of the word "religion" means " to bind". This is interestingly concordant with the root of "yoga", which is from a word meaning "to yoke."
Hold on
Christianity?
Or Protestantism?
Protestantism leading to (the slippery slope of) Enlightenment thinking ?
Aureus est
I was taught that Buddhism is not a religion, it is a philosophy...so it feels annoying to hear it called a religion. I disagree that it is a religion. I used to call myself Buddhist, but I decided I did not want to be an -ist of any kind...tho I still practice the philosophy.
Love this.
As always, when you are taking flak...you are over the target. I have to admit that when I first started reading you, I thought you as an insufferable armadillo wrangler.
Now I see you as you really are...an insufferable normie wrangler and pointer-outer to inconsistency of behavior.
Thank God for Artists and Writers...
Kary Mullins definitely nailed it there, and elsewhere. I do wonder about the timing of his death. Probably a great example to others?
Btw I can account for some of your decline in views because for various reasons I ended up taking a month long sabbatical from substack cold turkey.. but I'm back now! I'm sure I accounted at least a hundred views in that decline 😂. I don't know how you can keep going on this but I'm glad you do.
Btw on the payment channel front, you could put up a public key and invite people to post encrypted messages in comments. Walmart gift card numbers are probably fairly anonymous?
A belief system sold under the "Science" label.
A real religion?
I'm so jaded that I think religion can only be understood as a necessary part of political power. The justification of violence.
But I also see that people who are in love with their religion think their religion is the only true one, and everything else is an error. And they think that in spite of the fact they have no political power.
So there is another understanding of religion, not about power here and justification of violence, but about something else. For example, eternal life, or, in the case of Buddhism, that much desired extinction of being or of the self.
Christians who practice the rituals and sacraments of their version of Christianity, often seem to be longing to get back political power and control over force, in order to do justice, like it was before the French revolution, before the Reformation, before Modernity. But this is delusional: never has been the case that real Christians have managed to pacify the world. There's always been huge violence. More of it after the Enlightenment than before.
I coonsider myself a Christian, but I don't do sacraments. I don't relate to other people much. Many people would say that automatically disqualifies me as a Christian. Whatever, I don't care. But, as a simple gospel believing Christian, it's always funny to me the obsession of so many in Western countries to go to the far East to find the Truth because of the unstated reason that this Truth cannot be Christianity or Judaism or any other variant of monotheism. There is a huge rage against monotheism, as if it was the cause of the evils of the world. But sincerely see no connection between monotheism and the horrible things humans do to each other. Atheists also have done horrible things, as well as all polytheists.
I've read in my life many atheists, but few of them were promoting peace or non-violence, much less the idea of developing personal virtue. In general, atheists semm to be very bitter and angry, and they promote violence and irrational behavior.
The idea of exterminationism (an ecologist idea) is purely atheistic. And yet rational atheists reject ecologism, and violence among members of the human race.
But I think it's impossible to have organized violence in society (the State, for instance) and not have some religious forms that try to support it and justify it, lying for the "general good."
I'm interested in religion as a personal life event or life process. Politics is silly.
Well, I never believed in miracles until I stumbled across the descriptions of Flatland, a two dimensional world. You might find the concept interesting if you've never heard of it. Miracles would be trivial for a three dimensional creature to perform in a two dimensional world. You could travel instantaneously, bi-locate, make objects appear and disappear, change shape. A two dimensional being could hide nothing from us, since we could see over any walls. We would know their every action. A fourth dimensional being could do the same in our three dimensional reality. String theory requires ten dimensions and M-theory eleven. A being that could move in those dimensions could do unthinkable things. I think God might be a higher dimensional scientist with an ant farm. "The very hairs on your head are numbered" would seem commonplace with a big enough database. Recording our every move to call up at the end to tally our social credit score? Easy; we're approaching that in our world. Just a theory; don't hate on me please.